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            Two students were sitting on a bench near the college campus talking about their English teachers’ methods of teaching writing.

            “I really like the way Mrs. Jones teaches. I get a real feel for writing,” the tall brunette, Tosh, told her friend as she gestured inarticulately with her hands.

            “I think Mr. Smith is a great writing teacher. I think my work is really coming along nicely,” the petite blonde, Gwen, said, her hands sitting delicately in her lap.

            “How does Mr. Smith teach you about writing?” Tosh asked as she pivoted her body to look closely at Gwen.

            “I think he’s brilliant, he uses this technique called “Free Writing.” He just tells us to write whatever we feel like writing and not to stop until he says so,” Gwen replied as her hands twitched, as if she wanted to move them with her talking but kept them in her lap.

            “What about grammar and all of the writing dynamics, are they still used?” Tosh tilted her head in question, waiting for Gwen’s response.

            “Um, I don’t think they are. We just write what pops into our head, no stopping remember?” Gwen looked at Tosh as if she missed the entire conversation.

            “How could you write all that and not want to go back and fix the grammar mistakes, I would never be able to do that.” Tosh nodded sagely at her own words.

            “Well how does Mrs. Jones teach writing then?” Gwen came back at Tosh, waiting for her answer.

            “She teaches all of the different writing styles, the proper use of punctuation, and many other things that are important to college writing.” Tosh said as she turned slightly away from Gwen.

            “No need to get so defensive about it. Come on lets get a coffee from Starbucks.” Gwen held her hand out to Tosh and they started walking to the campus coffee shop.

             If only all arguments ended as Tosh and Gwen ended theirs. Not all people can change their way of thinking if offered a coffee. There are many people who still fight about what is the correct way for a teacher to teach in a writing classroom. Should the teacher be practically nonexistent or should they become the most important person in their students writing career. What is the best way of teaching in a writing classroom?

            One method for teaching in a classroom is to give the students more free will. If the student feels more in charge of their work, maybe it will be better and more interesting work. If the teacher tells a student “write whatever you want” it might just be a brilliant work of art, or it could be horrible. The main thing is that the student gets to choose what is written about. When given a topic that they have two write about and not given at least a few different things to write about the student might hate the subject and decide to write a horrible essay because of it. If the student takes charge then they have all the answers to what is being written about. They feel superior in the knowledge that they are important writers just as much as any other person is. It is a good feeling for these people to write what they may perceive to be brilliant works of art.

            Being a teacher in a “teacherless” class might be confusing but it could help the student. If done as Peter Elbow had it done in his classes it could be a really good tool for helping students learn. If the teacher does exactly as the student does then they are helping the student. Even just having the student critique the teachers own writings can help them learn better writing skills.

            The most well known way of teaching a writing class is to be the main authority in what the student does. The student will write on what you want them to, the way you want them to, and for how long you want them to. Depending on what type of writing class the student might be taught to write papers differently (e.g. maybe they want certain headers for their students papers). Different classes are all unique and every teacher teaches what they think will help their student most in the end. Some teachers might seem stricter than others but a lot of them still are the leaders of the classroom, their word is law. You, the student, write what they say is proper for the class.

            To be the opposite of a “teacherless” class the teacher has to show that they are there to help the students become better writers than they are. If the teacher is to do as Bartholomae thinks they will teach the way they were taught. The teacher will teach using text that they were taught with, they will use the past, they will have students quote or paraphrase, and they will teach the proper way to cite the sources that they used. Teachers can be fair to their students and still be strong role models.

            Or maybe there is a third way to teach writing. It might be a better way to teach if some of both Elbow’s and Bartholomae’s styles were combined together to make an even better way of teaching a writing class. When I was younger one of my teachers taught a way that used both of the techniques together. At the beginning of every class we would have to do a free write. Unlike Elbow’s free write there were times that we had to write what the teacher wanted and not what we thought. It could help others to think about different ways to write during one simple free write session. The teacher taught many different styles or writing (e.g. poetry, short story, descriptive, creative) but always let us, the students, have the final decision on what was actually written in class.


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            There might never be a complete answer for which type of writing is better. Maybe Elbow’s way is right, but then again it might be Bartholomae who has the correct way of thinking. Teachers will always teach in a way that they think is correct, that is how it will probably always be.

Posted by chibihi on September 15, 2008
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mjanel02 on paragraph -1:

This section is a bit confusing. You might want to try taking out the repition of student. I found myself tripping over it while reading.

September 15, 2008 11:45 am
mjanel02 on paragraph -1:

You may want to explain a bit more of what Elbow’s teaching technique is here.

September 15, 2008 11:46 am
mjanel02 on whole page :

Chantelle,
I really enjoyed your story at the beginning of your essay. It really helped set up what you would be discussing. I think it would really help your paper to develop Elbow’s and Bartholomae’s differences a bit more.
Thanks very much for sharing your paper with me.

Best,
Melissa L.

September 15, 2008 11:50 am
Monte on whole page :

Chantelle,
I like the avant-garde methodology behind your essay in trying to use dialogue to illustrate an example. It definitely expresses your interest in creative writing. My only question is this: is there a way the dialogue can provide more of a critique or analysis than an overview?
-Monte

September 15, 2008 7:57 pm
Jamie on paragraph -1:

I like what the character Tosh is saying. It is very relatable and what many people would say if they were thinking of a free-write exercise. Perhaps consider breaking it into two seperate sentences or perhaps elaborating just a little bit more. I think this would help to further emphasize the point she is making to Gwen.

September 15, 2008 10:45 pm
Jamie on paragraph -1:

I like this paragraph, however, in the fifth sentence of this paragraph I am confused about the usage of “two” in the beginning of the sentence.

September 15, 2008 10:51 pm
Jamie on paragraph -1:

I think you wrote a nice conclusion. I believe though that your concluding sentence could be more powerful if better articulated and perhaps with different word usage. It has potential!

September 15, 2008 10:54 pm
Jamie on whole page :

Chantelle,
First off I love how your name is spelled. Okay now on to the paper, I really enjoyed how you opened the paper with it being almost like reading a book. I felt that it presented what your subject was going to be very well and in an interesting way. I do think however, that sometimes during your paper it almost seems that you are writing a story or having a casual conversation. This is good, yet sometimes I found it distracting and felt that I wasn’t reading a paper. It was nice, but I’m not sure if I perceived it more as a written paper or another short story.
Either way, I can clearly see that you can write well. Good job! Thank you for sharing your work with me.
-Jamie

September 15, 2008 11:00 pm
bvaldez1988 on paragraph -1:

The way the story tied in with your argument was excellent. I liked how you used this story to introduce your essay.

September 16, 2008 8:08 am
bvaldez1988 on paragraph -1:

I liked how you have been talking about the idea of teacherless classroom: what it is, how it works, etc. However, maybe you could introduce who Peter Elbow is before you mention him, because it could be a bit confusing to someone who might not know who he is.

September 16, 2008 8:11 am
bvaldez1988 on paragraph -1:

Maybe in this paragraph, you can introduce who Bartholomae is so there won’t be confusion in your audience.

September 16, 2008 8:12 am
bvaldez1988 on paragraph -1:

I like how you offered a solution to the problem and how you introduced a personal experience, it makes the essay relatable.

September 16, 2008 8:13 am
bvaldez1988 on whole page :

Chantelle
This paper has a strong introduction and the argument following it is strong. Although you admit at the conclusion that there is not set answer, it allows the reader to see that there doesn’t have to be an absolute truth and you aren’t afraid to admit it. The only thing I would suggest is to introduce Elbow and Bartholomae before you begin to talk about them so that readers will have a clear idea of who they are.
Thanks for sharing your paper with me.
Beatriz V

September 16, 2008 8:15 am
Lindsey Y on whole page :

Chantelle,

I enjoyed reading your paper mainly because the first thing that drew my attention was how you were able to bring dialogue in order to make your paper stronger. I was able to flow with this paper, allowing me to keep up with key topics as I continued to read this paper through the end. In your paper you allow the reader to ask questions about this topic, and in a way allow us to reflect on our experiences with writing in a classroom. Thank you for letting me read your paper.

Lindsey Y

September 16, 2008 9:24 am
Mitchell Woll on whole page :

Chantelle -
You started your paper in a cool and interesting way. I think that you should add a couple quotes by Elbow and Barth when you bring up their arguments.
Thanks for sharing your paper with me,
Mitchell
mitchellwoll@hotmail.com

September 16, 2008 12:24 pm
illaria on whole page :

Chantelle,
Thank you for sharing your paper with me. I really liked how you used a dialogue to introduce the subject. It made the two opposing views seem less complicated so any reader would have a basic idea of what the teacherless classroom may look like and the academic classroom may look like.
One thing I didn’t see a lot of was your own personal opinion. You did a good job comparing both sides but what side do you think is the best?
Thanks again.
~Hilary

September 16, 2008 12:37 pm
illaria on paragraph -1:

I liked how you added some of your personal experience here. Is there any other ways (from either personal experience or hypothetically) which the two styles could be combined?

September 16, 2008 12:41 pm
illaria on paragraph -1:

I think you did a good explaining this method. However, it would be nice to see some of your opinion. In what ways do you think this method works and doesn’t work?

September 16, 2008 12:43 pm
arcite on paragraph -1:

Who says it is the most well known?

September 16, 2008 1:06 pm
arcite on whole page :

Chantelle,
I like the way your paper uses a different hook than most people are willing to use. It is something different and is executed in a good fashion, makes me want to read what follows.
Another thing I like is that you explore the different options available and explain the pros and cons.
My problem with your paper is that it is very objective. You cover both sides of every argument but you never show your opinion or pick which method should be fought for.

On whole the paper is well-written and easy to read. Thank you, Chantelle.
-Dan

September 16, 2008 1:13 pm
stra6907 on whole page :

Chantelle,
I really like the unique approach you took to “catching” your reader. Your organization is great and makes your essay really easy to follow. It might be helpful if you could add more of your personal experience as a writer ie, elaborate on how your teacher allowed for you write in different ways and which ones you felt were helpful.
Thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed it!
Kate

September 16, 2008 1:20 pm
holt8617 on whole page :

Chantelle,

I really appreciated your use of creative dialogue to start your paper with a very specific idea in mind and then branched off from there. The paragraph about combining the ideas of Elbow and Bartholomae is great and is a way of writing that isn’t taught in as many classes as it should be. Overall, your essay was easy to read and you got your point across very well and left the reader to draw his or her own conclusions about how writing should be taught.

-John H.

September 16, 2008 2:00 pm
victoria on paragraph 1:

I think its interesting that you started with a conversation between friends. I personally enjoy being entertained rather than board. This kind of style is important in essays.

September 16, 2008 2:33 pm
victoria on paragraph -1:

I like this paragraph and how it highlights that the subject that you are writing on is one that has been argued about and that a solution will not be easy to reach.

September 16, 2008 2:37 pm
victoria on paragraph -1:

Chantelle,
At the beginning of this paragraph you mention “maybe it will be better” Perhaps go into how the work could be better. Or what you mean by better, do you mean better grammar or is better another way to say more academic or more personal?
-Victoria

September 16, 2008 2:42 pm
victoria on paragraph -1:

I like your point on this but the second sentence in paragraph 14 sounds a little jumbled perhaps consider revision to help with the flow
-Victoria

September 16, 2008 2:44 pm
Mateja on paragraph -1:

The last paragraph seems to negate your entire argument, you don’t really take a side. A stronger conclusion would help.

September 16, 2008 2:46 pm
victoria on paragraph -1:

I like how you left the conclusion open because it ties in to your foreshadowing in paragraph 12 about this being a difficult argument.
-Victoria

September 16, 2008 2:47 pm
Mateja on whole page :

Chantelle,
Thank you for sharing your paper with me. Your voice really came out. The intro kind of threw me because I didn’t really understand what it had to do with the rest of your paper. Also, the conclusion was not as strong as a persuasive essay probably needs to be, see my notes for more. Thank you again though I really liked your paper!
Mateja

September 16, 2008 2:50 pm
victoria on whole page :

I think the beginning of your essay featuring students is important because students are directly affected by a teachers style of teaching. The conversation sometimes can get a little staged, however, in the vocabulary of the students. While you want both girls to sound intelligent and able to argue both sides of the spectrum they sometimes sound like textbooks. Perhaps try to make the conversation more candid. Overall, I like your paper a lot and think that your point, that there may never be an answer to this ongoing debate, is an important one to address.

September 16, 2008 2:52 pm
victoria on whole page :

Thank you for sharing,
-Victoria

September 16, 2008 2:55 pm
nugewriter16 on paragraph 1:

I really enjoyed the dialog beginning. It brings what Elbow and Barathomae have been arguing to reality.

September 16, 2008 2:56 pm
nugewriter16 on paragraph -1:

The first sentence in this paragraph doesn’t make sense. Maybe reword it??

September 16, 2008 2:58 pm
nugewriter16 on whole page :

Chantelle-
I really thought that essay was strong. The dialog at the beginning caught my attention and made me want to read more. The essay moves nicely through, touching on the points of Elbow and Barthalomae. The end was my favorite part because it ended with the fact that the argument between the two writers will never be solved–that both are right in their own sense.
Thank you for sharing this piece with me and I look forward to reading more!
Great job!
Kristin
nuge5901@bears.unco.edu

September 16, 2008 3:02 pm
khac2072 on whole page :

Chantelle,

I like your story-debate, it kind of illustrates how in the debate people can only see the wrong side of each others methods without considering possible benefits. Considering a synthesis of two good ideas is a lot better and probably easier than trying to resolve two opposing but well thought out strategies.

-Vartan

September 16, 2008 3:21 pm
zwic7726 on whole page :

Chantelle,
I like your intro, it was an interesting pull to get me to read more. The three methods of writing is a good idea, but I tend to want to know what side you’re taking. Each of them could be elaborated a little more, and that would help.
Thank you for sharing,
Gerrek

September 16, 2008 3:30 pm
zwic7726 on paragraph -1:

The end of this paragraph is a great opening to allude to your three stances, and I feel this elaboration would help me as a reader.

September 16, 2008 3:32 pm
zwic7726 on paragraph -1:

Here, I just become curious as to what you think. 1, 2, or 3?

September 16, 2008 3:34 pm
Helen D. on whole page :

Chantelle,
I really liked how you were able to use creative writing to form the start of your paper. I loved the story-telling feel of it all. I think you situated yourself well on the arguments that were included throughout your paper. I also liked how you left the conclusion open. Thanks for sharing!
-Helen

September 16, 2008 3:34 pm
Lindsay on paragraph 18:

Chantelle,
I really like this paper. It brings a lot of the arugments of both sides out and lets the reader decide in the end what side they want to go with.
-Lindsay M

September 16, 2008 6:37 pm
dra08 on whole page :

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September 18, 2008 11:16 am
Amanda on whole page :

Chantelle,
I really enjoyed your essay. I think that you choose a good way to show how students are different in the way they respond to teachers and teaching methods. then you go into a couple of infomative suggestions on the different ways to teach and some of the pros’ and cons’. Overall i really liked your essay and found it very helpful for ideas on mine!
Amanda

September 18, 2008 7:24 pm
from Jeremy on whole page :

Chantelle I really liked your paper! Obviously many other students have commented on this but the introduction was very creative and interesting. I would encourage you to continue those kinds of introductions with future papers. I also really liked the way you compared the two styles of writing, I think you concisely portrayed how the two styles are different. The only thing is I don’t think you wrote enough about the compromised classroom. You captured my interest, but I wanted to hear more about it!

September 23, 2008 1:59 pm
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